of course, it has all of washington and the country on tender hooks. there is always a theory that some people would actually want us to go over the fiscal cliff some democrats because they would finally get the defense cuts that they have been clamoring for and it would actually serve their purposes. i dismiss that. >> to be fair, we have even had some republicans who have said that that they want. members of the tea party don't want to have anything to do with -- they want us to go into default. they want us to face these problems. howard dean on the democratic side saying, look, if we don't do it, we have got this other plan and he talks about the fiscal cliff to what alisyn was just saying. listen. >> as you know, i believe the country would be better off if would get another revenueiff. to be serious about balancing the budget and get defense cuts which the congress will never vote for otherwise. we will get some human services cuts which i don't like but we are in a deep hole and everybody is going to have to put somethinged in something. the tru